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Henry Pryor on Property

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10/06/2008: Where is this market going?

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It's nine months since queues started to form outside branches of Northern Rock. The first run on a UK bank in over 100 years is now regarded as the first tangible sign that we were in trouble and was about the first time that many people had heard the phrase 'credit crunch'. If I had a pound for every time that term has been used since!

Since then interest rates have been reduced by a full percentage point, we have seen lenders reduce their mortgage products by nearly 50% and some have even stopped lending and household names like Bradford & Bingley have to go back to their shareholders cap in hand - not to mention the Bank of England (you and me) throw the Rock a £30bn lifeline and the banks in general given a £50bn hand out to try and get them lending again.

According to some surveys, house prices have started to fall with the over quoted Halifax index down 2.4% last month alone. House sales in some areas have dropped by as much as 70% and the wheels have even started to come off the buy-to-let market. But where will we go from here?

Many ways to say 'I don't know'.

I read a leader yesterday written by a respected estate agent in East Anglia who had found 500 words to use instead on the three he could have; 'I don't know'. Frankly, it's not a surprise that he doesn't want to even hazard a guess.

He knows that if he tells you what he has nightmares about that no-one will want to instruct him to market their house, and I'm sure he's right. You usually have to be pretty drunk to think it's fun to sit down with a pessimist and find him good company.

The newspapers are full of doom and gloom one day (The Guardian this week ran the headline 'Traders predict house prices will fall by 50% in four years') and that the whole thing is just your own bad dream (The Daily Express on 20th May with the priceless 'HOUSE Prices Won't Crash'). But what is really going to happen?

What the City says.

City traders (well those who still have a job!) are betting against what are called 'Property Futures'. In fact this is a mix of numbers and opinions and 'what-ifs' all cooked up by a financial Gordon Ramsey leaving you to F and blind at the conclusions they come to.

They are saying that values will be down by 50% in real terms over the next 3 years and will take until 2017 to recover to today's values. Imagine that! If it's true then houses would be worth what they were in 2001.

In 1997 the average house was worth £70,000. Today, if you can find an average house then it's supposed to be worth £194,000. Electronic bookmakers, like IG Index, reckon that UK house prices will be down 11.4% by September and Sporting Index who match punters (and therefore aren't gambling their own money) are quoting a drop of 22% by next March and a full 28% by December 2010.

Stop people in the street and you'll get a view. City economists, mortgage brokers, beauticians and undertakers all have a view if you push them, and most disagree and that's the point - the value of anything can only be determined when there's a market.

Today, less than 1-in-5 homes are selling, which makes most homes 'worthless' to all intents and purposes - they either can't find a ready, willing and able buyer or they are not serious sellers.

For what it's worth, I think that values will fall by over 40% of what they were 'before Northern Rock' and, based on the last three downturns, won't recover for sometime after the Olympics in 2012. I realise that this sounds, scary but previous experiences taught us that prices fall further and take longer to recover than anyone expects.

How bad can it get?

Consider the Japanese model - their property prices fell from 1989 by nearly 50%, and still haven't recovered in real terms. Prices were highest in Tokyo's 'Ginza' district in 1989, with some fetching over US$139,000 per square foot and only slightly less in other areas of Tokyo.

By 2004, prime 'A' property in Tokyo's financial districts were less than 1/100th of their peak, and Tokyo's residential homes were 1/10th of their peak.

This week, we have seen Barrett Homes shares fall by nearly 50% and another 'run' on HBoS shares. I fear that this down turn has only just begun!

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Added: 25 June 2008 12:55
Jack says:
Glad to see many so many reasonable comments not filled with the panic spouted by the media, anyone would think there's an ulterior motive! Long and short of it is... Homes will always cost you (lots of) money. If homes cost £10 then I'd buy 10 a day, £1000 then 1 a month and £10000 one a year (and rent them out) but we'd all be doing it wouldn't we and demand will outstrip supply. If you don't buy a home then someone else will buy it and then rent it out to you (unless we all go to live with our mums!). BTW Estate agents would rather sell a house quickly for less (quick turnaround, minimal work) than wait 6 months showing umpteen potential buyers round for 50K more; put it another way 1.5% of £200,000 = £3000 for a quick sale or 1.5% of £250,000 = £3750 for 6 months work.
Added: 25 June 2008 10:25
Reece Coleman says:
Shaine said "I feel the Estate agents led the way and the greedy banks followed, and now they are paying for their greed."

The problem is that they are not paying for their greed!!! The Northern Rock was bailed out by the government (with our taxes!!) & whose fuel, energy & food prices are now rocketing? How are the banks paying for anything?

They were greedy, they took incredible risks with other peoples money & when it all went wrong, they got bailed out & are still making billions in profits. What they did is like me borrowing £20K, betting it on a horse at 60/1 & when it loses, asking someone else to pay the lender back. The banks should be made accountable for what they did & if it means their business goes bust then so be it. Any other business that operated in such a stupid way would pay the ultimate price, why not them?!

It's their ridiculous lending policies, the greedy estate agents (who should be paid on a straight fee basis, not a percentage) & lets not forget the greedy people who buy property as an investment, not somewhere to live!

I remember the last crash where the dinner party topic for years had been how much money had been made on property....then the floor fell out of the market & everyone started wringing their hands & saying poor me! Sound familiar?!

House prices MUST fall so that young people have some hope of being able to have a home (not an investment or a pension plan)....at present most people on an average wage have no hope of owning a place of their own.
Added: 25 June 2008 10:18
Andy says:
Apparently because of gas and electricity etc rising, and still predicted to go up drastically this year. Predictions are that workers will go on strike for pay rises. This in turn will push inflation up. Interest rates will have to rise. So this will further the difficuly for people to get mortgages. If this is the case then people will still not be able to buy at the bottom of the ladder. With no firstime buyers the market will stay flat. The only people that will be able to buy will be cash buyers or landlords in the position to buy the rent. But this then forces prices up again because if the demand is high for rental properties then rents will go up and the whole cycle starts again.....So the up side to the whole scenario is that prices will still rise but not in the immediate future.
Added: 25 June 2008 10:13
James says:
Well said chris. I have £172,000 mortgage, and have just lost a large percentage of my self employed income due to the 'credit crunch' (leaving me on about £20,000pa). But I intend to do whatever I need to in order to keep my house (I have just taken on two part time jobs). A house is to live in, it doesn't matter how much it's worth. I dont't blame the estate agents, or the banks, and even builders take a risk. What concerns me is the greedy people who demand, en masse, above inflationary pay rises - like the tanker drivers, and politicians; this will make it even more difficult for the honest worker to get on the housing ladder, and stay there.
Added: 25 June 2008 09:12
Peter Glover says:
It is unjustifiable to blame estate agents. They are acting on behalf of the seller and consequently cannot be criticised if they achieved their objective of obtaining the best possible price. Blame the valuers who acted on behalf of the lenders.
Price (not value) is a product of money supply (a good example is a premiership footballer). Value should be based on financial return. Money became too readily available and valuers were duped into allowing the market to determine their assessment of value. Their assessment of value should have been based on the potential revenue return (rent) of the investment (the mortgage) in a house, rather than a blind expectation that values would always rise.Mortgages would then have been limited, holding the market in check.
Added: 25 June 2008 08:58
Steve says:
I'm sick of these doom and gloom merchants trying to outdo each other.
According to the media around 2 years ago there was going to be a crash. This didn't happen. Then the rate of increase slowed down, and this was massively exaggerated and made to sound like a downturn even though prices were still rising.
If you keep ramming it down people's throats that prices will fall by xx%, is it any wonder that they will fall?
If you keep hearing idiots on tv saying "offer xx% less than the asking price", is it any wonder that prices will fall?

Remember:
Your house is where you live, if you don't need to sell, ignore the negative spin that is being put on the market.
There is no single housing market. The market is different say for a 1 bed flat versus a 3 bed house. There has been a massive increase in the number of flats being built in the last few years, with few houses being built. A lot of these flats were bought off plan by investors. This is the part of the market that will be worst hit.
In the south east, demand outstrips supply, so why should there be a medium/long term crash?
Mortgage rates are still relatively low.
Yes it's not great at the moment, but is it really as bad as is being portrayed?
Added: 25 June 2008 08:26
Louisa says:
The fact that prices are falling is a good thing. They were far too high for too long and seeing the mortgage multiples of 5 times a salary being offered was the writing on the wall - it couldn't last and we were in for a shock. Or even 110% mortgages ! How irresponsible of the lenders !.
I don't think prices will crash, they will correct and end up at more sustainable levels.
We have a great seaside house which we are going to sell as it's too big and we know that we will not achieve what we would have a year ago. However the flip side of that is that we will buy for less than we would have a year ago. It's all relative and even though getting a mortgage is not so easy anymore, overall this will restore a bit of sanity to what was a ridiculously frothy and irresponsible market.
When I bought my first house 25 years ago I had to save with my building society until i had enough for the deposit. This meant exercising a bit of discipline and giving up some of my fun (I was 22)but I got my house.
Easy money has meant that the recent years allowed too many people to buy places they could not afford even though they had no deposit or intention of being responsible about their repayments.

Added: 25 June 2008 08:05
shaine derrick says:
The house prices have been shoved up by that disgusting creature known as the estate agent, a loathsome entity that has the sole intention of hoisting the price to the max, to ensure that his percentage based fee approaches the obscene.

To make matters worse this "fat pig" then benefits from arranging the very mortgages it has created.

Surely the house prices start at what the basic first time buyer can afford, and that is not a house approaching £200,000. Anything else is a ticking time bomb and prices are bound to be left high and dry when they market place is exhausted, and unrealistic


Any institution that lends that kind of money to young couples is bound to be taking a high risk, and sooner or later things will go wrong.

I feel the Estate agents led the way and the greedy banks followed, and now they are paying for their greed.
Simple answer to the problem, is stop Estate Agents working on a percentage.
Added: 25 June 2008 07:55
andy says:
I can understand that house prices have fallen in not so good locations,but if you look at the better locations where the schooling is good etc prices have just leveled out. I,m a so called cash buyer and i can,t seem to get a deal in this places, if the sellers can,t get what they want they simply take the house of the market.
Added: 25 June 2008 07:25
chris says:
Some people miss the point. i brought my house before the last crash and my house went down by 20k i struggled with high interest, i brought when i was young a very high mortgage but 19 years on i am 6 years away or less to owning my own home outright, i will never rent, it still even in hard times ended up a good investment and i worked hard for it, buy when your young now forget what the market says, it will be your home eventually.

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